Rebuilding Place in the Urban Space

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Sunday, December 10, 2023

Suburban stadium/arena interest a function of new, younger generations of ownership or a better real estate play?

With a couple of exceptions -- Atlanta Braves to suburban Cobb County, the San Francisco 49ers to Santa Clara, 42 miles from the SF City Hall, and the Buffalo Bills staying in the suburbs outside of Buffalo -- most stadium/arena rebuilding efforts tend to be focused on urban locations, if not necessarily the center city per se, at least in Los Angeles where an NFL stadium and a forthcoming NBA arena are in urban places, but outside of LA proper.

-- "Framework of characteristics that support successful community development in association with the development of professional sports facilities," 2021

The Oakland A's are moving to a more central Las Vegas location, the Tampa Bay Rays to another location in center city St. Petersburg, the Philadelphia 76ers want to move to the heart of Downtown Philadelphia, the Kansas City Royals want to move Downtown from their more suburban location, the Golden State Warriors moved to San Francisco, etc.

That's why I find what's happening in Salt Lake City so interesting as it is counter to these trends.  

(The Larry H. Miller Company) The Salt Lake Bees broke ground on a new stadium in South Jordan's Daybreak neighborhood on Thursday, Oct. 19, 2023. The Triple-A team has released the first renderings of the Bees' new home.

First, earlier this year it was announced that the minor league baseball team Bees will be moving to Daybreak in Draper, 21 miles from Salt Lake City ("Salt Lake Bees break ground on new 2025 Downtown Daybreak ballpark," Ballpark Digest).

A residential community in Daybreak.

But that's because the team owner is a major real estate developer, with big holdings in Draper, and they figure a minor league team can activate the area, even though it never did in the Ballpark neighborhood of SLC 

So the empty land around the stadium as shown in the rendering is a feature, not a bug ("Take a look at the first designs for the Salt Lake Bees’ new Daybreak stadium," Salt Lake Tribune).

Second, Ryan Smith, the new owner of the NBA Jazz, a reasonably young 46 years old guy wealthy from Internet application firm Qualtrics, is talking not only about trying to get a hockey team even though the SLC market is pretty small ("Jazz Owner Ryan Smith Talks NHL, Future Of Utah Sports," KSL), but moving out to the suburbs as well, following the Bees, maybe to Draper as well ("Would Fans Support Jazz Move Out Of Downtown?," KSL, "Salt Lake City is ‘working hard’ to keep the Utah Jazz downtown, city leaders say. What happens next?," Salt Lake Tribune).  

Smith also bought the Real Salt Lake soccer team which is headquartered in suburban Sandy.

Part of the attraction is being closer to Utah County, which is fast growing, 800,000 residents to Salt Lake County's 1.2 million.  But it's also the location of the state's "Silicon Slopes," the home to companies owned by people like Smith.

Suburban mentality?  I wonder if in part this is a function of next generation team owners and executives who weren't party to the lessons that teams learned after moving to the suburbs, that the locations weren't that great, leading them to return to the city.

But also that cities are better places to win subsidies ("The Baseball Stadium That “Forever Changed” Professional Sports," The Ringer).

Real estate play.  But it's also about the opportunity for complementary real estate development.  This isn't new, but the problem with urban locations is the inability to monetize proximate real estate, because it's already owned by other parties.

The Guardian has a good article about this, "‘The stadium is secondary’: how US sports teams became real-estate speculators."  Maybe it's better for team owners to make more money from ancillary real estate that they control, than it is to generate day of game ticket revenues.  From the article:

... More than ever, sports franchises are a real-estate play as owners seek to stimulate revenues amid escalating costs in a period of high inflation. 

Mixed-use developments where people can live, work, shop, dine, drink and play have become ubiquitous as teams seek to squeeze as much profit as possible from their land. The old paradigm was to build a new stadium with high-end facilities inside to cater to the corporate set, boosting matchday income and attracting showpiece events such as Super Bowls, World Cup games and blockbuster concerts by stars like Swift. 

Now teams also want to dictate how dollars are spent each day in the streets around their venues, a trend turning billionaire sports owners into influential city planners.

... Kroenke financed his plans privately, but pledging to revitalize a neighborhood with projects that typically include public green spaces makes giving financial incentives such as tax breaks or covering infrastructure improvements more palatable to municipal leaders and voters who might be wary of handing subsidies worth potentially hundreds of millions of dollars to billionaires.
A problem with this is that the beneficiaries of such "investment" are increasingly just a few players, the team owners. 

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At 10:18 AM, Anonymous charlie said...

Another good topic for you to put together a PDF/online "book".

Take all your entries on it, dump each one as a "chapter" and come up with an intro. See how it flows and if you need connective text.

Not an emotional issue for you, but one that does get more attention.

 
At 1:10 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

Ah, the value of jumping on a hot issue. Makes a lot of sense. Would draw attention and be an entree to other "books."

Eg the recent book by Henry Grabar on parking. To me, Shoup said it all, already. But for Grabar, it was jumping on a hot issue and selling books.

 
At 5:47 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

Lawmakers could vote today on plan to bring Capitals, Wizards to Virginia

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/12/11/monumental-sports-capitals-wizards-alexandria-virginia-capital-one-arena/

 
At 8:55 AM, Anonymous charlie said...

RE: pdf/book

Yes, this is why 90% of current non fiction books suck. Basically that is th process. Write a first chapter and a table of contents. Send around to agents and look for a deal. You can tell when a book is written like that versus sharing years of learning.

But if I go through your stadium articles for the last 10 years, I suspect you've captured 75 to 85% of everything written in the current press about it. And in particular almost everything written about integrating stadium into the urban fabric.

I'm a bit confused about the Monumental Sports plan as I thought Alexandria had a plan already for Potomac Yards.

https://media.alexandriava.gov/docs-archives/planning/info/masterplan/mpa=case=files/mpa2010-002-north-potomac-yard.pdf

If I bought a townhouse just south of there, thinking that the north of me is going to be nice offices and residential in 10 years, that is bad planning.

Net loss to DC. As you've said, DC is way too aggressive on promoting "entertainment" districts and that is to a large degreee what happened to Chinatown. I stopped going there around 2004? Around the times the transgender gangs started harassing everyone. It's a complete shithole now. Too many other options in DC and could not support the level of restaurants/bars, and because of green line constant crime issues.

So putting $600M into a new basketball facility isn't going to turn around Chinatown.

I also doubt there is enough demand to turn the facility into "mixed use". Nobody wants to live there. DC never focused on brining actual amenities (Supermarket!) to the area although you now have the Safeway at Mt. Vernon.

 
At 10:52 AM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

I sent an email to Svrluga today in response to his piece. Events DC floated the idea of the arena moving to the RFK site in 2018. But the plan was focused on recreation not mixed use. Economically it doesn't make sense to do it for the NFL team because there are so few events. For Capitals, Wizards + Mystics + arena football (planning for seasonality, even if there is reduced summer patronage overall) plus Hoyas it does, even if I don't think the teams are always super well managed, and DC can't charge income tax on the players. I don't know how much Monumental does with community benefits. More than baseball probably.

Plus need to do separated Silver Line to improve transit connectivity.

 
At 10:57 AM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

Years ago I met with Jemal trying to get him to do a mini supermarket downtown, more upscale like Fresh Market, this was before Streets came to be. He wasn't that interested (maybe because he figured the companies wouldn't be interested and didn't want to waste his time) but was willing to meet.

 
At 11:00 AM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

https://urbanplacesandspaces.blogspot.com/2018/12/yes-modify-and-extend-rfk-campus-lease.html?m=1

 
At 11:08 AM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

The entry failed to (re)mention 1. Separated Silver Line + better and extended streetcar service. 2. Ability to spark redevelopment of the Pepco site. 3. Probably the rest of the corridor and Minnesota Avenue.

Centrality is better but this keeps tge facility with a lot of additional benefits to the city. I think it's a worthy exchange but it does require extinguishing the NPS recreational easement and difficult lease extension matters with the feds.

 
At 11:15 AM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

At the same time that entry lists the pieces I wrote about the Anacostia corridor.

You could tie it in, and finally have an East of the River economic development strategy.

 
At 12:09 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

Fwiw, not with an arena or stadium, starting in 2003 I advocated for adding housing to the RFK parking lots, when I called for H Street Main Street to develop a housing growth strategy for its retail trade area. RFK, Hechinger Mall and Bladensburg Road, and the parking lot of Delta Towers (it may have been redeveloped since), the old Sears site (since redeveloped), were the primary focus.

The Pepco plant didn't shut down til 2012 so it wasn't considered.

These days it would be too controversial still, but the Langston golf course would be a good redevelopment candidate. I'm not a golfer. Really good couple articles on courses in London and alternative uses.

Interesting discussion on how few people can actually be accommodated each day.

https://amp.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/nov/28/building-houses-britain-golf-courses-makes-sense

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/aug/26/london-golf-courses-could-provide-homes-for-300000-people-study-says

Cf https://www.theguardian.com/society/2023/dec/06/why-building-homes-on-golf-courses-is-a-terrible-idea

 
At 12:40 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

https://www.abc4.com/news/wasatch-front/the-jazz-leaving-slc-for-draper-a-look-at-whats-behind-the-rumor/

 
At 1:53 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

I know Mystics and DC Go Go play at Congress Heights. Maybe they could play both venues. I do know that there is value to playing in appropriate sized places in terms of audience.

 
At 3:49 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...

Potomac Yard is a far from ideal location for such a use. Lousy actually. I suspect some kind of power play between the state and JBG. Hope this is just a ploy to get DC to up the incentives.

 
At 5:31 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

Me too. The "start" of a conversation.

I just wrote a new piece on the topic. But didn't mention PY as sub optimal, because my proposal is less optimal too. But still good.

 
At 12:38 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

https://www.deseret.com/utah/2023/12/12/23902585/larry-miller-company-steve-miller-build-utah-jazz-baseball-daybreak-legos

 
At 6:10 PM, Blogger Richard Layman said...

Point about Downtown Minneapolis, study on how to revive downtown. Former mayor talks about "urban villages" not one specific CBD.

OTOH, DC has too many in close proximity, as discussed in comments above.

https://www.minnpost.com/community-voices/2023/12/downtown-minneapolis-is-evolving-its-no-longer-a-few-blocks-but-an-ecosystem-of-distinct-villages/

https://www.minneapolisfoundation.org/stories/community-issues/downtownreport/

 

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